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  Connie // May 11, 2008 at 3:05 am

  cross posting from Ali Etaraz’s blog (because he wasn’t real happy with me):
  http://eteraz.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/ohio-pastor-parsleys-anti-islam-statements/#comment-126172

  Connie said, on May 10th, 2008 at 12:28 am

  That America has always understood itself to be a bastion against Islam is not “exactly” right in the way it is worded, although as Islam is certainly anti-Christian, it is understandable that Christian denominations would preach that. (And please don’t give me the usual Jesus and Mary are beloved by Muslims stuff). It doesn’t wash.

  This country was established by those looking to worship Christ as they wished. There is no doubt about that. But even Martin Luther called Islam “the scourge of God.”

  And John Quincy Adams had this to say:

  “In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar,
  the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural
  energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a
  messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive
  portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the
  doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious
  falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new
  Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he
  humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the
  gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the
  fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy;
  and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion,
  against all the rest of mankind.

  “THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE!

  “Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve
  hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant. While the merciless and
  dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can
  never be peace upon earth, and goodwill towards men.”

  So one could say that Adams would have somewhat sided with Parsley.

  Thomas Jefferson was a deist who considered himself what he called a “true Christian.” He did not believe in the supernatural (although in all fairness, as he did a believe in a Creator, one could say he must have had some belief in something out there). The reason he called himself a “true Christian” was because he believed that Jesus Christ was the greatest philosopher of all time.

  And of course, the reason for his separation of church and state speech at Danbury had to do with his utter frustration with the constant arguments and power struggles between Christian denominations. This is why this country was founded - so people (mostly Christians) could worship freely, rather than as the state dictated. Jefferson did not want any favoritism shown by the government for any particular Christian denomination, as escape from that is what brought our ancestors here.

  This is also why Islam is antithetical to our Bill of Rights and our Constitution. It does not separate church and state. Even those Muslim countries like Turkey that have secular governments, there is always a danger that Islamic Law will be reimposed by the ruling power. In America, the only way for this to happen is if Muslims become majority rule and manage to alter the Constitution. This is why there is a fear of the increasing numbers of Muslim lawyers and elected officials. We are already seeing successful attempts to change laws and policies (even in the private sector) to accommodate Muslims. This, as you are most likely know, is called “creeping shari’a.”

  In regard to Keith Ellison using Thomas Jefferson’s Qur’an, this was another of CAIR’s deliberate in your face maneuvers. Jefferson studied law, including Mosaic Law. His copy of the Qur’an, called the Alcoran of Mohammed, was translated by George Sale. He appended his translation with an essay called “The Life of Mohammed,” in which he said, “when the character of Mohammed is attentively surveyed—-it is so shocking that it is a wonder that the country of his nativity has not been buried in oblivion. Any country would have blushed to produce such a monster.”

  So, even though I consider Ellison’s use of Jefferson’s Qur’an a travesty, I am also somewhat amused. He used a Qur’an wherein Sale condemned Muhammad.

  It is very late, so I will stop here. I hope I’ve provided some interesting information to those of you who would like to study the subject further.

  *One more note. As Ambassador to France, Jefferson wanted to stop paying ransom to the Musselmen. As Vice-President, he wanted to go to war. As President, he sent our troops to Tripoli and thus ended the demand for payment of tribute (the jizyah).

  200 years later, here we go again. Every time we fill up our tanks, we are pretty much paying that same Islamic tax.

  After he posted some vague and very crude remarks and allowed a female Muslima Howard Dean type to post, he cut off my response to him, which was this:

  Ali, I have responsibilities which prevent me from replying in full this morning. However,
  your last posts are somewhat vague and crude. Research in recent years has shown that Jefferson apparently did have a special relationship with one inherited slave, Sally
  Hemings. That is quite a bit different from your statement, which I will not repeat here.

  There is more information on Sally Heming here:

  http://www.monticello.org/plantation/hemingscontro/hemings-jefferson_contro.html

  Whereas America is past slavery, slavery had nothing to do with Ellison’s use of the Qur’an. Islam had everything to do with it.

  And please do not forget the historical association of Islam with slavery:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGjJJhHvqY

  In regard to Morocco and America, yes, Morocco was the first nation to recognize
  America. Sultan Mohammed III told America that it would protect our ships in the area.

  Morocco was also in a state of flux and it was politically and economically beneficial for
  it to enter into such an agreement.

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